Battle of Hoengsong Feb.11-13, 1951- Looking for anyone who may have known PFC Harry G Hayes, 15 ART BN 2 INF DIV reported as KIA on 2/13/51. His remains(?) were returned to his hometown for burial in the 70';s, I believe, but his family doubts they were Harry';s remains. I grew up with Harry and went to school with him. I believe he was only around 17 years old when he was killed. I';m trying to find more info for the family about how Harry served and died.
God Bless all of you who served in The Forgotten War.
Thank You.
My brother Everette Chappell,was in the 15th.Field Art.Bn.(105MM.)2nd.Inf.Div.was in the battle at Massacre Valley.Was reported MIA Feb.13,1951.He is still listed as MIA.A friend that was with Everette,says he was captured with him.They were on a march to a prison camp.His friend says they talked with each other from day to day.One morning Everette didn';t appear for the march.The war department has never confirmed this,but his friend remembers this vividly.It is possible that Everette never reached camp.The 38th.Inf.Regt.lost a lot of men,as well as 503 Field Art.If anyone knew Everette,please contact me.He was from N.C. Ted Chappell
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Subject: RE: Massacre Valley
From: Julia Stillman
Date: 10-Sep-02
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My brother';s best friend, Alford Jeffrey, will killed at Massacre Valley (Hoensong). There were over 600 killed, 2 survived. Apparently Alford had been out scouting and saw nothing; came back to the trucks; men sleeping. Trucks were going up an incline of a narrow road; the last truck in the convoy was hit first. It was in the way, plus the narrow road, when the trucks tried to turn around.
This was in February, 1951. Alford was reported MIA on Feb. 13. His dogtags were found 100 feet from his body.
He joined the Army because my brother had joined. He got into Able Company, while my brother got into Dog Company. My brother Gene D. Tomkins served his year in Korea, too, but he came home.
Alford Jeffrey was 19 when killed. Barely out of basic training when sent over to Korea. He was in heavy fighting in Winter, 1950. Escaped from North Korea - probably Chosin.
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Subject: RE: Massacre Valley
From: Anthony J. Sobieski
Date: 16-Aug-02
Email:
I believe that the 987th FA took a beating in April 1951 with the beginning of the Chinese spring offensive, they lost men and howitzers (which were later recovered by the 213th FA) Don';t know if that helps...
regards
Tony Sobieski
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Subject: Massacre Valley
From: John Dickerson
Date: 31-Jul-02
Email:
Would like any info. of unit that was involved in Massacre valley in 1951.It was an Army unit that was completely wiped out with very few survivors.Iwas with 3rd.Bn.5th Marines when we came accross this tragedy.Ther was burned out equiptment and bodies on the road as far as the eye could see.What a waste 作者: 甜酥墙皮 时间: 2006-2-13 22:51 标题: 我所知道的老兵故事<转载 西西河> 唉，美国那么多回忆韩战的帖子都是老兵本人上网帖的，
而中国会上网的最“老”的老兵就是79那一批了。
想想看要是上文中的“老王”“老邓”那一代也能上网该多好!
"the battle at Massacre Valley ....over 600 killed, 2 survived.... in February, 1951"
真有那么个"大屠杀谷"? 麦帅倒是在中国参战前说过"要是中国人参战那将会有一场屠杀..."作者: 甜酥墙皮 时间: 2006-2-13 23:20 标题: 我所知道的老兵故事<转载 西西河> “打仗不好，真的，打仗不好。不管什么事，再难也难不过打仗，再狠也狠不过打仗”
这句话我也很欣赏；此外同样欣赏的还有这句话:
“战争已经教会了老邓一个概念，即：这个世界只有两个方向，一个是前方，一个是后方....而你只能选择注意一个方向——那就是前线。现在，前线突然没有了，到处都是后方，到处都有安全，世界也突然有了许多方向，人也突然可以有了很多选择，这是多么奇妙的变化啊”
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找到原帖了(跟帖海了去了)
这是作者写的后记:
【后记】
《我知道的老兵故事》是我进到西西河以后冒的第一个水泡（前面虽然有一篇《三国孙氏武功考》，但那是我在新兵营的毕业论文，应该不算）。这个坑稀稀拉拉地挖了这么久，竟然有如此多朋友肯跳进来予以鼓励，让我十分欣喜，特别是feihuang兄、asiavikn兄及meitnerium等朋友们热情地为我提供资料、解疑答惑，甚至黎叔、禾平兄、虎尾兄这样的偶像级大碗也屈尊指点，更叫我受宠若惊。我给大家讲了几个小故事，大家却实实在在地帮我增长了知识。在此，晚进新手向各位一并道谢了。
我是在山沟里、工地上长大的，不曾认识什么威风赫赫的大人物，我所介绍的老王头、老邓头和朱正常伯伯，也都是平平常常的老工人。他们在部队是小兵、在社会是草民，他们的言行比较简单，刚好是我所能够理解的。我尊敬他们和他们的生活，并且我认为，悉心体会、分享平头百姓的快乐，是件幸福的事，也是件重要的事。
朱伯伯现在国外是我已经介绍了的，老王头已于2004年过世了，他的女儿们则都在国营基建企业中承受下岗的尴尬。老邓头不同，他的景况要好一些。
老邓从81年就带着儿子们自力更生。从帮别人做家具、做沙发开始，到现在，他们家已开了家具厂、超市、煤矿、水泥厂等五花八门的公司，老邓头也已经是住洋楼、坐轿车过上了剥削阶级的生活。我父亲曾经开玩笑说，是什么样家庭出身的人，最后多半会回到什么样的路上去。老邓和邓妈祖上原来就是做买卖的，现在看来，这个“出身论”还真有点道理。我比较惊奇的是邓妈，许多年前她就成天抱着个药罐子，病秧秧的样子，可许多年过去，她依然还是成天抱着个药罐子，病秧秧地享受着生活。我真心希望她老人家能让我的惊奇永远继续下去。
促使我说老兵故事，是由于两个月前的一件事。当时我和母亲在电话里闲聊，不知怎么就聊到了老王头身上，我于是问母亲：小时侯记得老王和老邓经常打架，他们到底是为了什么啊？母亲说，是为了工资补调的事。
那时候工资调级有两种方式，一种是“普调”，人人有份，不会引起矛盾；另一种是“补调”，有名额限制，这可就是“挑起群众斗群众了”。老王和老邓基本条件差不多，老王的工龄大概长一些。于是老邓事先去找了领导和工会代表，说了一些家庭困难的情况，结果是老邓调级了，而老王却没有。这样，老王当然对老邓极为不满，彼此的矛盾也就因此升级了。
我问，那一级工资有多少啊？母亲回答：还不是一级，是一档（一级的一半），七块钱。
我顿时乐了，两个英雄为七块钱打架，这不是滑稽么。
母亲不高兴了，说这就是生活。英雄怎么了？英雄也要生活；为七块钱打架又怎么了？认认真真生活的人都是英雄！
这句话对我触动很大。我开始思考老王和老邓，在他们的人生中，战争的时间其实是短暂的，漫长的是和平岁月（其实绝大部分英雄也都是这样），对他们而言，战争的回忆只是人生历程中的一个插曲，他们自己似乎并不十分看重。他们重视的是人格，是贯穿于他们生活始终的诚实、认真和公平待人的理念，在战争中，他们以这样的人格对待自己的战友和自己的任务，于是，勇敢无畏就成为了他们的“英雄本色”；在和平时期，他们以这样的人格对待自己的家人和自己的事业，含辛茹苦又何尝不是他们的“英雄本色”呢。因此，我想讲讲他们的故事，讲他们平民生活的可爱和战斗精神的可贵。我还想说，战争只是生活的极端形式，并不是只有战争才能创造英雄的。从更普遍的意义来说，我们每一个人都可以有自己的英雄本色。因为，每一个认认真真生活的人都是英雄！
毕竟，在生活中，有什么比生活本身更加伟大呢。
作者: xxk1981发布日期: 2006-2-11
[DISABLELBCODE]作者: hjf1390 时间: 2006-2-13 23:44 标题: 我所知道的老兵故事<转载 西西河> 作者是个高人,虽然描述语言都是乡野村夫级的白话,但交代事情时当时环境,进行过程,人物活动,内心思想,细而不乱,决不是普通人所作.
"战争已经教会了老邓一个概念，即：这个世界只有两个方向，一个是前方，一个是后方；一个比较安全，一个绝对危险。而你只能选择注意一个方向——那就是前线。现在，前线突然没有了，到处都是后方，到处都有安全，世界也突然有了许多方向，人也突然可以有了很多选择，这是多么奇妙的变化啊。"
深刻的体会!只有亲身经历过战争的人才会有这等理解.作者: 徐荣 时间: 2006-2-14 08:44 标题: 我所知道的老兵故事<转载 西西河> [这个贴子最后由徐荣在 2006/02/14 08:57am 第 1 次编辑]
下面引用由甜酥墙皮在 2006/02/13 10:51pm 发表的内容：
唉，美国那么多回忆韩战的帖子都是老兵本人上网帖的，
而中国会上网的最“老”的老兵就是79那一批了。
想想看要是上文中的“老王”“老邓”那一代也能上网该多好!
"the battle at Massacre Valley ....over ...